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Sunday, November 4, 2018

Death in Panama

Image Source: The Daily Beast.

There is an Internet sub-genre devoted to investigating what has happened to missing people. One of the most disturbing recent cases of this kind captured the attention of bloggers, Redditors, Youtubers, and forum members.

"Lisanne Froon, aged 22. Picture taken on April 1, [2014] the day of her disappearance. Cellphone data, found in their backpack, revealed that attempts to dial 911 were made some 2 hours after this photo was taken. There was no reception. The last attempt to dial 911 was 10 days after their disappearance." Image Source: imgur.

This was the case of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, two Dutch college graduates, aged 21 and 22. In March 2014, they traveled to Boquete, Panama for six weeks to learn Spanish and do volunteer work with local children. Then they disappeared during a day hike in the forest near the town.

At the time of writing this post, the debate on this case at the German forum, Allmystery, was nearly 600 pages long. One of the related Reddit threads is here. The police investigation focused on the girls' disappearance its effect on the local tourist industry. This post and a subsequent post will ask about the much larger context of this case, including the Panama Papers.

Image Source: Kris Kremers/Facebook/imgur.

Kris Kremers & Lisanne Froon; The Missing Girls of Panama (29 October 2017). Video Source: Youtube.

At The Daily Beast, Jeremy Kryt has covered this disturbing story for years. The DB initially concluded that the girls went hiking, took some photos (which you can see here), got lost and injured, and then fell victim to the environment, when one or both of them took some terrifying photos at night in the jungle.

In 2017, the Daily Beast revised that conclusion, after discovering that over two dozen people have been murdered under strange circumstances in Panama's western highlands. A local investigator confided to The Daily Beast's Kryt:
"The high-ranking examiner agrees to be interviewed only under the condition of anonymity, saying he has received death threats after discussing sensitive investigations in the past.

'That [Bocas] area is swarming with sicarios,' the IMELCF source says, referring to the cartel smuggling routes that link Panama’s porous eastern coastline with Colombia and Venezuela to the south, and Mexico to the north. 'There ought to be a national red alert for foreigners, and especially women,' he says. 'But of course that would be bad for tourism.' ...

The forensic anthropologist ... says the search for 'paradise' can also work as a touristic bait-and-switch—designed to keep foreign dollars rolling in at all costs, no matter the risks.

'Panama is a commercial port for the Sinaloa cartel and others, he says, and goes on to mention both forced prostitution and organ trafficking as other threats posed by organized crime operating on the isthmus.

Part of the problem is that publicizing such dangers could weaken the crucial influx of tourist money, which makes up almost 20 percent of Panama’s GDP."
Those comments imply that Froon and Kremers were murdered; but that information has been suppressed due to pressures from the Panamanian government, which wants to preserve its tourist industry.

My posts on this case are meant to shine light on the ways in which seemingly stable and prosperous parts of the world are connected to the less stable parts. See my related posts on how the profits from organized crime in Mexico and Naples are laundered in the City in London; the latest revelation of this type comes from the unfolding 1MDB scandal in Malaysia:
In the 2015 American film, Sicario ('Hitman'), the CIA covertly protects and influences the Latin American drug trade in various ways in order to control it. The film starts as a tale about the drug war on the US-Mexican border. But it hints that that border conflict is the tip of a global iceberg. There is much more at stake here than the politicized issues of cross-border crime or the humane care of Mexican immigrants to the United States.

Sicario Official Trailer #1 (2015) - Emily Blunt, Benicio Del Toro Movie HD (8 June 2015). Video Source: Youtube.

Parts of the world are secure spheres where the rule of law supposedly exists, but those walled gardens are intimately connected to - and dependent on - realms of chaos, as the eponymous character in Sicario says:
"You should move to a small town, somewhere the rule of law still exists. You will not survive here. You are not a wolf, and this is a land of wolves now."

Sicario (11/11) Movie CLIP - A Land of Wolves (2015) HD (5 August 2016) © Lionsgate. Reproduced under Fair Use. Video Source: Youtube.

However, the character in Sicario is wrong, because the lawful and lawless zones are one and the same. A 2016 BBC interview with a sicario below confirms that a violent world exists, which many inside sheltered, wealthy, stable, or democratic zones prefer not to consider or acknowledge. Even if they have a broader understanding, they still erect a mental barrier in their minds that the violence is 'far away' or 'over there.' And even if they are worldly and well-traveled enough to know better than that, their stance is still that of compartmentalization. There is still a quasi-imperialistic us-and-them perspective, as aid is administered to improve living conditions in chaotic regions.

Accept that this sicario is an intimate part of your world, that you already live in his land of the wolves, and you will find that you need to reappraise your whole reality. It does not matter if the democratic establishment's connections to organized crime are kept hidden or secret from the mainstream. Everything is connected and deep down, we all know it. Our dreams our built on nightmares. Things are wrong and they must change.

Cartel kidnapper: Mess with me? I'll kill you - BBC News (11 March 2016). Video Source: Youtube.

Thus, resolving lawlessness is not, as the UN and NGOs and similar organizations would have us believe, a question of benevolent, top-down policy-making. This is not about bringing democratic free values to chaotic areas, reducing crime, alleviating poverty, building dialogue, and introducing education, such that teams of well-meaning administrators and officials tinker with these troubled zones like so many lab experiments. The troubled zones are part of the whole original system and picture. They are symptomatic of something amiss in the model itself. There is something intrinsically wrong at the core. I discussed this possibility in my post, Mind and Government, Terror and Ideology: Reframed.

The More You Read, The Stranger It Gets

The Froon-Kremers case may be part of that holistic truth. This tragedy has become an online urban legend and the more you read, the more this story changes. The official narrative falls apart.

Because of the government's likely cover-up to protect the tourist industry, the official story probably has disinformation in it. The Internet has passed the story from person to person in a game of broken telephone.

That is why this case persists as a topic of conversation in social media. People know something is wrong with it, and they want to make sense of the mess. There are 3 to 5 different versions of every moment of the girls' timeline and in each account, the details change. For example, in one version, the girls were taken up the mountain on their final day by a taxi driver, who was murdered months after their disappearance. In another version, there is no taxi driver.

Worse, the story sounds exactly like a horror film script, even though this was a 'true story.' A film from 2009, Turistas (marketed as Paradise Lost in the UK) had a very similar plot. A 4 Chan comment:
"This is one of these cases that just get more bizarre and unexplainable [sic] the more you look into them. Forensic experts themselves have expressed doubt at the official version of things, which states that the girls just fell into some river and died."
De Bovenkamer listed several of the anomalies in the official story and commenters came up with interesting hypotheses. They suggested that the parents of the girls know more about what happened, but there was a deal that they remain silent.

The town Boquete is located in a valley next to an active volcano. The surrounding mountains are covered with jungle with several trails, used by tourists, locals, and indigenous people. In the 2014 case, Kremers and Froon disappeared while hiking in the jungle in the period between 1 and 11 April. Locals were questioned, as were two Dutch men who met them prior to their hike.

A graphic showing the timeline of the girls' disappearance. Click to enlarge. The site, De Bovenkamer, exhaustively broke down the girls' movements. Image Source: De Bovenkamer.

The Dutch girls had booked a guide to take them on a hike on 2 April. On 1 April, they were offered a hike and a stay in a jungle cabin by the (same?) guide, but they turned him down. Perhaps this creepy overture made them change their plans for the next day. They set out after lunch on 1 April.

Azul the dog made friends with other tourists in Boquete prior to the Dutch girls' disappearance. He belongs to the family who own the house where the girls stayed. The dog liked to follow tourists from the hostel up the walking trail, and he has appeared on one tourist's blog. Image Source: Chris and Dan's Panamanian Adventure.

Most accounts state that the girls took along the dog who belonged to the owners of the house where they were staying. Named Azul, he initially accompanied the girls, but returned home alone on the first night. Another version of the story states that they took a taxi:
"They took a taxi. They shared the taxi with 2 unknown men and the taxi driver himself. The taxi driver was found floating in a lake months after this all happened."
Within a few hours, they were in trouble. The girls' first attempt to call emergency services was from Kremers's phone, later that day at 4:39 p.m.; Froon tried to call emergency services just over ten minutes later, at 4:51 p.m. They used the Netherlands number 112, and later dialed Panama's emergency number 911. They tried to call for help until 3 April. After that, their phones were turned on periodically until 6 April. Then there was a five-day gap, and Kremers's iPhone was turned on on 11 April, by someone who did not know its access code.

This site shows the photos they took at the beginning of their hike, and the last photos they took before they first dialed emergency services.

One week later, the girls took 90 frightening photos at night over a three-hour period on 8 April 2014. Authorities claimed that 87 of these showed only total darkness. But other accounts claimed that the photographs did show something and appeared to be taken in a sequence, with a close-up, faraway shot, a shot at the sky, followed a repeated sequence in adjacent places in the same area. This seemed to be some kind of message. Part of the girls' photo roll can be seen here. Some online forum members guessed that one of these photos may show a body in a ravine.

One of the girls' night photos, taken at 1:38 a.m. on 8 April 2014. Redditors concluded that this photograph was not taken looking down, as it initially appears, but gazing up, indicating that the photographer had fallen down a cliff-like overhang. One Redditor commented: "Thinking about their mindsets as they were taking those night pictures are what nightmares are made of." Image Source: La Estrella de Panamá.

De Bovenkamer's readers guessed that the girls never got lost at all. Rather, they reached the top of the mountain, the main tourist spot, turned around, and on return ran into people who abducted them.

This hypothesis suggests that the night photos were taken by the girls' killers, who also made the failed emergency cell phone calls. This would make it look as though the girls survived much longer than they actually did. Evidence discovered later was planted in the wilderness in a confusing way, to muddle the investigation.

An estimated graphic of where the bones, foot, Froon's backpack, electonics, and clothing were found - spread across long hiking distances. Image Source: Allmystery.

Another diagram of where the evidence was found. Click to enlarge. Image Source: Allmystery.

The authorities concluded that the girls were injured (one photo, which has only been revealed on Dutch TV, from 8 April 2014 at 3:54 a.m. showed Kremers with blood on her head) and succumbed in the wilderness.

Ten weeks later, Froon's backpack was discovered, placed by the bank of the Serpent River, one day's journey away from where they disappeared. The backpack contained the girls' phones, camera, bras, cash, a passport, and half a bottle of water; the bag seemed to have been kept inside, since it was clean and dry and untouched by the elements.

There is an official story of what happened, and an unofficial story. Officially, Kremers's shorts were found zipped and folded on a rock; unofficially, they were discovered in the water near a monkey bridge.

Subsequent evidence indicated murder, including over two dozen bone fragments, Kremers's pelvis and one rib bone, and a boot with Froon's severed and broken foot still inside. There was no sign of animal scavenging. Kremers's bones had been bleached, possibly with lye, which is a corpse disposal method used by Mexican drug cartels.

The Canine Witness

A photo circulated online of the local dog named Azul. The dog is said to have accompanied the girls on their first day hiking and returned home that night, alone. Image Source: Mostly Mystery.

But perhaps the dog, Azul, who departed in the girls' company, provides a clue as to whether the girls got lost in the jungle and succumbed to the environment, or whether they were murdered. Online sleuths focus on what the dog did; if you believe his owners, he left with the girls and returned home on the first evening. But online commenters don't consider what Azul did not do.

The dog is possibly a witness to a crime. There is a famous line in an 1892 Sherlock Holmes story about this: "the dog did nothing in the night-time." In the story, a crime is committed in the presence of a dog. The fact that the dog does not respond means that the crime is committed by someone known to the dog.

This important story from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle about canine behaviour encouraged the police to begin using dogs to help them solve crimes. Several Sherlock Holmes stories described the first use dogs in detective work and modern forensics.

In the context of the Dutch girls' deaths, Azul's behaviour means something more. He did not stay with the girls. Logically, they would have kept him with them; or he would have remained with them, especially if they were in distress. The fact that he abandoned them means that he was separated from them physically on the first day, possibly because they were taken into a building and he was left outside.

Or perhaps the girls took a taxi to go on their hike, and the dog never left with them at all. The Daily Beast interviewed an investigator in the Panamanian case:
"'Whoever did this is very smart. He didn’t leave much evidence. And he won’t be easy to catch,' the IMELCF scientist adds. In his view, Panamanian prosecutors have given up on the case—despite their own investigators’ suspicions of foul play—in order to save face."
In my next post on this topic, I'll summarize some of the other murder cases and disappearances in the area and consider their larger context.

Local photo from the search for the missing girls. Image Source: BBC via Mostly Mystery.


  1. Although your article is mostly accurate, the biggest inaccuracy is that the dog was from the place where the girls were staying. Not true at all. Azul belonged to the owners of il Pianista, the restaurant at the head of the trail. The dutch girls were staying at Spanish by the River, which is actually in Alto Boquete, which is nowhere near the trail. I still live in Boquete, and was part of the initial search and rescue that was conducted by local guides and volunteers. All of that aside, many of us don't believe the official account of the story, and suspect foul play. The son of the owners of the restaurant Il Pianista (at the head of the Pianista trail) frequents Bocas del Toro, where there have also been murders. He was overheard saying some odd things about how he had met the Dutch girls the day before they set out on a hike. He was drunk at the time, and he's a "smooth talker" when it comes to tourists, especially women. To our knowledge, he was never investigated, and the fact he works and lives most of the year at the base of the tralt is reason enough that he should have been questioned, at the very least.

    1. Thanks for the corrections, Anon. This is the first of two posts on this topic. I'll add your comment to the next post, which concerns other cases and their larger context.

    2. Dear Anonymous

      You are a highly intelligent and educated person possibly of English or American origin.
      There is NO WAY a Panamanian or Colombian person could have written a comment like this. The use of the English language and the prose style is top notch.
      You could have given valuable input to the investigators. And yet you refrained
      from doing so. Why?

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    1. Thanks Scarlet Nat, your post is here http://scarletnat.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and.html

      I'm sure my readers will be interested. I find that people tend to be divided in how they view this case. They either see it as a simple lost hikers tragedy or they view it as part of something larger. I'm afraid my instincts tell me it is the latter. I will follow up in a later post on this topic and include a link to your blog there too.

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    3. Scarlet Nat, that is incredible - so disturbing. I feel so, so sorry for the two girls. Their deaths are the stuff of nightmares. My gut reaction is that there is something horribly wrong with the entire case. You can *feel* the lies. My approach for the follow up is to connect it to the Panama Papers as well as other mysterious deaths in the area.

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  3. Did the girls eat at the Il Pianista restaurant before their hike? I have been trying to locate that information and cant seem to find it. Also, was the taxi driver and potential guide related? I noticed they have the same last name?? Thank you so much! This case has been haunting me since I read about it.

  4. The only "sicarios" and other cartel people exist only in the writer´s mind. Very irresponsable

  5. People like to believe and disbelieve what they want to (categorically) often in the face of available evidence. Yes two hikers could injure themselves and die in the jungle in a place like Panama but so too could they have been murdered there. I think evidence of recovered remains and items make murder the most likely. Why did Lisanne suddenly start taking trail photos of Kris after passing the summit? Why not on the way up? Only one or two at the top, their intended destination. Perhaps someone accompanying them after that point was taking the photos. Why? To create a record that they had strayed further than recommended. The predawn night photos could likely have been an escape attempt made days later while search efforts (that wouldve been known to them) were underway.I believe they were murdered within 24 hours after those photos were taken because their captor/s were afraid of discovery. They had been captive but alive until then.

    1. @ Anonymous - You've made some excellent points. The problem is people aren't sure where the night time pictures were taken
      If that could be answered then it could go a long way some way to people realising it was a crime rather than just getting lost.
      For instance, if the night time pictures were right on the trail, near a finca, then it's unlikely the girls were lost.
      If on the other hand the night time pictures were on a lesser trail or completely off trail then it could still be they were victims of a crime but equally they might have been lost (and victims of crime later).

  6. It's a point to point trail with really nowhere to go you do not lose you're balance when turned around you know if you're walking uphill or downhill did they venture into Sendero Culbre trail? Did they take Los Quetzal trail back instead of catching a bus back? Did they think it was a loop trail? I wonder alot of things I think lost hikers would have been found if indeed they lived 11 days I doubt they survived 2 days if they where trekking through the woods the entire time they'd be dead quick maybe even the 1st day out but let's say they survived too atleast the 8th imagery if taken by the girls at night shows them moving at night this is how you get lost even further however this is so dangerous would anyone let alone both think hiking with little light would be the right thing to do?.. if they moved at night tht would lead me too believe that maybe they were being presued by something and couldn't stay in place overnight....ppl must remember there not at home this trail is a hotbed for crime if you take a tour guide and you run into someone then you now have a common ally or atleast have someone you can outrun most kids who venture here locals travel in groups of atleast 4 this tells you of the dangers here pumas are nocturnal hunters and if you run into 1 at night you die unless you have bear spray in hand or a long knife you will be lion chow they drag victims uphill and are known too kill multiple prey even more then they can eat and remain in the area burying there prey in shallow graves but there is no markings of predators on what little remains they found but pumas grab the back of the neck and these bones where not recovered ...tbh it easy too abduct anyone you want and you can drive up too the final stretch too mirador wait and hide and take them away without that report we can only speculate this crime can never be solved tht is over with now the parents believe what they want being lost is better then kidnapping and sexual abuse which is likley what happened lissane was more then likley thrown into a ravine and kris taken away...idk if being lost would be any less traumatic probably terrifying night after night hallucinating for days in a jungle is no pleasant death. .

  7. https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/cult-anointed-god-kills-panama-jungle-68378252
    See the latest abc news. Yes, if you're such an expert, why don’t you go visit and go for a hike with your friends. See if you meet the fun loving people. Come back and write about it. Prove us wrong, we have many years to wait. Why don’t you visit the lovely village of EL TERRÓN, Panama, we hear it’s a beautiful exotic spot.

  8. https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/cult-anointed-god-kills-panama-jungle-68378252
    See the latest abc news. Yes, if you're such an expert, why don’t you go visit and go for a hike with your friends. See if you meet the fun loving people. Come back and write about it. Prove us wrong, we have many years to wait. Why don’t you visit the lovely village of EL TERRÓN, Panama, we hear it’s a beautiful exotic spot.

  9. Informative blog on this subject: https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and.html

    I still have some additional material on this case in my drafts folder. I will return to this story.

  10. Additional from 4chan: "Those jungles are incredibly dangerous in more ways than one.

    There are poisonous snakes, jaguars, caiman, and deadly terrain. The Panamanian jungles are pretty much the ultimate transit point for all drugs coming by land through SA. The jungle is where those guerrillas live. If they caught wind of two Dutch girls, they'd probably rape them both and kill them.

    But it turns out that it might've been a serial killer who got them.

    So, did someone kill Froon and Kremers? Between 2009 and 2017, over 24 other tourists have gone missing in this area or turned up dead. The case was revisited in 2017 in which there was enough evidence to suggest that these disappearances may have been linked to a serial killer.

    They aren't the only ones who've gone missing, not by a long shot.

    I digress. These jungles are not the place to be hiking in. They went deep inside of it with no knowledge on how to get back. It was beyond foolish for them to even consider doing this."

    1. https://boards.4channel.org/x/thread/25743591#p25746472

  11. More from the same thread on 4chan (4 August 2020): "They were more than likely murdered. The locals of the area knew they were there, and the arrival of two lovely European girls would not have gone unnoticed to the local drug smugglers. It's unfortunate that these girls went to such an area without a guide. I have traveled quite extensively in my life, and never would I attempt to go into such a remote jungle.

    I'm guessing the locals all know they were murdered, but nobody there is going to snitch on the cartel, lest they too want to be found dead.

    People that go missing don't generally have their entire body dissapear with only fragments of their body remaining and scattered over a long distance. The investigators said their bones were bleached from the sun. It is known that the sun would not cause this bleaching in the short time it took to find the bones. The cartels use some kind of shit to dissolve bones and body parts, it also causes this sort of bleaching. 24 other tourists have gone missing in this area and the locals still don't know what's going on...yeah, in my bra they don't know what's going on. There is either a serial killer in that jungle, or the drug smugglers there are killing them. One of the girls supposedly took 90 photos after the other girl died, but none of these photos include her face or any sort of message. It's almost like the photos were cryptic. A picture of a plastic bag on a stick? Why?

    I also viewed every pic they took. The were walking on trails that only smugglers use. How do I know this? Because many of the trails were rugged and far away from any village. That's literally how these smugglers stay undetected, via thick jungle "trails", which are more rugged than a normal trail. That's so it doesn't become used by anyone but still gets them where they need to go.

    Idk man I wouldn't have let my daughter go do that, but apparently both girls were dreaming of that trip for months beforehand. I feel bad for them, I do, but this is why we take care and heed the warning signs"

  12. More from the same thread: "Smart experienced people get lost, how about some young girls.
    They took photos to use the flash of camera to see in darkness.
    The bones didn't have the typical fall injuries but very possibly from a fall, exhausted people don't do smooth landings on a rain forest.

    Everything adds up to panicking girls being lost.
    Why would murderers walk around taking photos and attempt to dial 911 until batteries run out.

    Also in the last thread anons were wondering why they didn't document their happening.
    I think it's just media giving the idea that it's normal to document instead of trying to survive.
    Rapers and murderers walking around for couple weeks faking evidence is even sillier."

  13. ">These bat shit drug smuggler cartel serial killer theories

    They went missing after falling off a trail that clearly says "Dont go here, you will drop off and die because the foliage covers the trail," just in Spanish. They fell hundreds of feet into a ravine into dense, humid, extremely hot and punishing jungle. The phone with all the pictures is the girl who died first, and they went missing before a flashlight was a standard feature on smartphones, so the surviving girl used the camera flash function on the phone she didn't own to see in the dark/try to signal.The town they disappeared just outside of is 70% American/Canadian expats and retirees. English is more common than Spanish there. Drug smugglers don't operate in the valley they disappeared in between Volcán and Boquete, the area is crawling with municipal and military (frontera occidental) police and everywhere is full of traffic checkpoints, day in day out. Any drug smuggling take place in the nature preserve on the Costa Rican border, to the west of Volcán, which is already to the west in the western side of the valley to Boquete. A local didn't do it for the simple fact that it would be common knowledge that someone did it because Panamanians can't keep their mouth shut about anything and brag and gossip about how many flakes of cereal they had this morning, let alone who killed who. They're idiots. This also serves to explain that the police are also inept as fuck and don't do anything immediately that doesn't net them loads of money, for the department or personally (drug busts and traffic ticket bribes pretty much). They cock up every investigation because they're all dumb, lazy, freeloaders enjoying a sweet government job. Any search or investigation not relating to something that profits them is going to get mangled by ineptitude. The entire valley is a flood basin, and can wash remains away quickly. Decomposition happens EXTREMELY quickly."

    "The heat, humidity, and decomposers like the local fungi and bacteria will strip a carcass in days from the brutality of them. Although there are no apparent markings from animal attacks, and despite there being creatures like jaguars, jaguamundis, packs of wild dogs, caimans, etc., there's species of monkey that could move remains out of curiosity if they weren't moved by the probable flood waters. The neatness of the articles found can be attributed to local indians in the area (the woman who "found" the belongings along the riverbed being an indian too) being little jungle gypsies who looted what stuff they found washed up and realising "oh fuck it's those missing gringas' stuff" and immediately putting it back for investigators so they don't get in more trouble. The government itself lied and hid things to make the case look more mysterious and complicated to just cover up their inability to properly respond and investigate, and that they probably would have found them if they started looking within the first 48hrs.

    >TLDR dumb tourists don't know how to read signs for a known local danger, drop hundreds of feet down a valley ravine to severe injury and eventual death, while the military/police are too incompetent and lazy to investigate until there's international attention, by the time they're actively looking girls are dead and rotting, probably washed away in fast flood waters down the valley's riverbed, Indians find their shit and put it back neat because they're dumb as fuck and don't want trouble, Panamanian authorities fudge the investigation more and keep keep murky to keep from looking bad to the international community with the conspiracy community picking up the slack.

    t. Bong who lived in that part of Panama for two years, frequented that area, have an uncle-in-law with an estate in that valley, and my wife's cousin is a crime scene forensic investigator who gave me all the details on the government fucking it up"

  14. "I thinking is a mix between many theories. I do think they got lost but they were able to survive on their own until they meet a worse end. This news made me reconsider they just got lost and died from exposure or wilderness.
    > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-53467067
    14 teenagers decided to make a trip on the forest, there they were assaulted by two armed guys, half of the teens escaped but the other 7 were executed. I think crazy guys wanders the wilderness and the two Dutch girls were unlucky to meet people like them."

  15. Further from 4chan: "I am not talking about regular people or that Gatun is directly related to the Pianista. Your points are valid. So is there any chance that there are gangs wandering in places like Pianista or it doesn’t make sense? Or maybe some people like in that movie, Bone tomahawk.
    Also, other anon posted a link about the case. It says alongside the remains of the two girls they also identified the remains of at least three other people. It seems people in the zone are somehow accustomed to locals disappearing in the wilderness."

  16. "Panama Resident here (the place where they vanished). that place near BARU volcano is pretty cursed.

    my grandparents (rip) told me the story that everyone who enters in that forest never came back. they told something about a creature living there or spirits i dont remember at all but yeah, if you dont know how to navigate (learn all the place by memory) youre pretty fucked.

    also its connected to abandoned castle here."

    CASTLE PHOTO: https://is2.4chan.org/x/1596591661818.jpg and https://archive.is/W8yAw

  17. "I think this works as an explanation, BUT the last 'daytime' photos seem to give off the vibe of "we're going in this direction because some creep is behind us" rather than happy-go-lucky exploration. And if they fell hundred of feet you'd think one of them would fall and then the other would run for help. It's not like they were at the exact same position at the exact same time."

  18. All these quotations are from the 4chan thread. "Maybe it is very strange that their families refused to disclose some of the pictures taken by the girls. Just look how many pictures of the girls can be found in the book-long blogpost - even before they went on their fatal hike.
    If you follow up a 'make as much public as possible' strategy, you wanna follow right through with it, don't you? I don't know"

  19. "After a little investigation, I found that the taxi driver who took them to the place where they were last seen, "Leonardo Arturo González" was found drowned in a river, I also found an article from a regional newspaper where they talk about a sect called "the light of God", as well as several disappearances throughout these years, maybe it is related?"

  20. "On the complete opposite scenario; There was this 12 year old German girl who was the sole survivor of a plane crash in a Latin American jungle sometime in the ‘70s. She trekked the entire way from the crash site to people over the course of several days.

    To this day I always wonder how she was able to trek all that way without getting eaten by a jaguar or killed/assaulted by a random jungle pedo. Some people have great luck while some don’t is what I’m getting from this."

  21. Your theory is flawed somehow.

    Photos 508 is 40 to 60 minutes after the Mirador peak - so they did not turn around but somehow went further on - reason unknown.

    No gang or cartel would allow them use their phones or camera - so if a criminal act is involved it had to be later on

    There is no reason for the gang or cartel to take the backpack and put it neatly someplace weeks later - those aren't playing around - they kill and get rid of the evidence - in the jungle they could have taken the backpack with them for a day and then throw it 10m into the bush and no one would ever find it.
    As for the corpses it would have been similar, kill and let nature do the rest - there were nor markings of tools or whatsoever, so the decomposition has to natural.
    One thing I cannot explain is the different state of decomposition - that's harder to explain

    The most likely reason for the backpack is that some tribe ppl found it, took it and later on realized what they had and got scared and put it there
    There are a lot of discrepancies on the net. The ones that matter are:
    1 - times if the calls, some pages quote 21:39 for the 1st call some say 16:39 - so what is true? That's a huge difference

    2 - Was the backpack dry, soaked wet, soaked wet but dry when it was found, where cameras and phones in a watertight zip bag or similar?

  22. Parents know more than what they say, investigation hasn't been conducted even at the very beggining, in Amersforth. It is not to be ruled out that they were followed from very start. I don't think this is regular crime and murder, but sth way bigger.

  23. Still hunting me this case. I have kids and it is too painful to think that something like happens a d not be solve. We have indigenous groups and is not a racist thing please but they drink a very poisonous alcohol ” home made calles chirrisco, they look innocent when alone but specially for white foreigners it can be dangerous is they are found alone ( specially blond girls) with a group drunk male indigenous they can turn very violent as group. As panamanian is a shame that things like that happened to any of our visitors. Chiriqui in general is very violent so pls be on alert. I was going up in Boquete and found a young beautiful white girl walking alone to no where. I stop and tell her pls to do not walk alone like that, there were festivities a d lots a drunk man around. Chiriqui seems innocent enchanting but truth is, it is dangerous and locals do not get alone q
    With foreigners and visitors.p