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Sunday, June 23, 2013

Boomer Legacies: Victimhood of the Millennial Male?

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One of the themes of this blog is the impact of massive and fast-paced cultural and technological change on values. Another theme is the ways in which causes popularized by the Baby Boomers during the 1960s and 1970s have played out today. Today's post focuses on the Millennial masculine backlash against the Boomer-led feminist movement.

Too much change, too quickly, results in social confusion (aporia) and normlessness (anomie). One reaction that restores a quick sense of direction is victimhood as a means for self-definition. This activity depends upon a violent emotional backlash against perceived abuse by groups with whom self-appointed victims do not identify. Opponents can be defined in many ways: by religion, by gender, by class, by culture or ethnicity, by politics, by institutional affiliation - or in terms of the beleaguered individual who confronts evil corporations, banks or governments. This mindset finds expression in conspiracy theories, racism, and weirdly inverted moral systems. As a mode of behaviour, it is also evident across the political spectrum, among Preppers, in the hacker culture, and in the Occupy Movement.

Some backlashes are obviously justified. Activists usually start at a point with which nearly anyone could agree. Disturbing social inequalities, unemployment and power gaps appeared during the Great Recession as the productive capacity of developed and developing societies outstripped traditional means of production. And business and government interests are clearly using older, conventional forms of power to consolidate control of new online arenas.

Nevertheless, new brands of populist politics offer oversimplified explanations for overcomplicated realities. These meta-victim ideologies rest on blame-casting, guilt-tripping, malevolent labeling and social division.

One trend that follows this pattern is the men's rights movement (MRM). Men's rights grew in opposition to some of the most ill-conceived feminist agendas. A good example of the latter was the depiction of men in advertisements as bumbling, dishonest and useless idiots over the past three decades. These consciously-implemented formulas were meant to counter the sexist depiction of females in advertising.

Other oft-cited male concerns have been unfair judgements in divorce courts and women's double standards over money and workforce roles. The Futurist summarizes the basic Millennial MRM idea:
The Western World has quietly become a civilization that undervalues men and overvalues women, where the state forcibly transfers resources from men to women creating various perverse incentives for otherwise good women to conduct great evil against men and children, and where male nature is vilified but female nature is celebrated. This is unfair to both genders, and is a recipe for a rapid civilizational decline and displacement, the costs of which will ultimately be borne by a subsequent generation of innocent women, rather than men, as soon as 2020.
This line of thinking absorbs other ideas, such as the west-versus-east civilization hypothesis, racism, religious prejudice and online conspiracy theories.

The MRM mentality also arose from the absurd marketing mantras of the late 1970s and 1980s, namely, that everyone is uniquely special, gifted and destined for a high-flying lifestyle. This idea was seemingly democratic - we were somehow innately deserving of equal luxuries and privileges (rather than equal opportunities, and equal rights and basic standards of living) for all. In fact, this message of entitlement was not democratic and offered only a culture of material enslavement. No one can blame men and women alike for falling for this message, even if they did not understand that the marketing industry and educational sectors stroked their egos to enforce their passivity as consumers and voters.

In the case of the MRM, this promise of entitled lifestyles found form in the notion that every man has an inner alpha male who is being viciously sapped, caged and suppressed by a feminist-dominated society. It wasn't hard for men to reach this conclusion, considering false promises from a capital world that they would have it all. There had to be someone to blame when they discovered that they would never have it as easy as their fathers did. They did not stop to consider that their female contemporaries would never have it as easy as their mothers did, either.

From marketing myths grew player dating strategies for pickup artists (PUAs), fostered by the seduction community in the 1990s and 2000s (see examples of dating advice for players here, here and here). The cultural history of the early Web is bound up with the masculine re-purposing of dating women. Early techniques developed by computer hackers to get people to unwittingly divulge personal information online - such as psychological subversion - became capitalized as dating advice for already-alienated males.

Founded in the 1990s by self-help dating gurus such as Ross Jeffries and Lewis De Payne (a convicted computer hacker who ended up working for the feds), the seduction community organized itself, Fight-Club-like, into local clubs called 'lairs.' It used a pseudo-scientific cocktail of psych theory and cultishness to encourage brotherhood through mutual coaching. The underlying impetus for organization stemmed from the Internet and the earliest forums and chat groups. Other early PUA gurus include Clifford Lee, with his Cliff's List Seduction Letter and Tariq Nasheed, author of books such as The Art of Mackin (2000).

The PUA community was described in Neil Strauss's 2005 book, The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists, which inspired an American reality TV show, The Pickup Artist (2007-2008).  Incidentally, Gen Xer Strauss is listed among the world's 25 greatest PUAs, a narcissists' gallery if ever there was one, here.

This behaviour galvanized further online in the manosphere, host to MRAs (Men's Rights Activists) and MGTOWs (Men Going Their Own Way). In its mode of reaction, the manosphere forms a crude mirror of second wave activist feminism. Yet there is a huge difference between the virtual realities MRAs have concocted for themselves and the realities on the ground.

Firstly, discrimination against women endures. For example, in the American higher education sector, which MRAs believe was captured by feminist interests, a pay gap persists between males and females of equal ability, experience and training. More worryingly, what are we to make of the savage 2012 rape in India, which revealed endemic sexist violence and sexism in that country? Subsequent reports confirm that that crime was just the tip of the iceberg and this problem is now negatively affecting Indian tourism. And the boom in Asian economies may well be doomed, due to one intractable cultural problem, the unceasing abortion of female foetuses. It is estimated that 100 million women are missing from Asian populations due to sex-selective infanticides and abortions over the past generation. One might even call it the worst genocide in history. China, South Korea, Vietnam, Singapore, Taiwan and India all suffer from terribly skewed male-to-female ratios.

That said, MRAs do address serious social problems. Men are under terrible stress. In the UK, there has been a sharp increase in suicides of middle-aged Gen X and younger Boomer men, surpassing the rate for their female contemporaries since the recession began:
Men aged between 35 and 55 are more than four times as likely to take their own lives as women of the same age. ... [During the recession s]uicides rose among both men and women but the problem was most acute among men in their early 40s, where the rate rose to its highest level in almost two decades. Among men in their late 40s and 50s, the suicide rate increased faster than at any point for 25 years.
The plight of divorced fathers has been largely ignored in focused studies, despite the problems they face. In the United States, marriage rates are dropping. But is the historic record decline in birth rates entirely due to social malaise and irreconcilable differences between the sexes, or to a lousy economy? Similarly, is the MSM-led consensus that - men are "failing. Failing to become adults; failing to be financially independent; failing as fathers; failing as husbands" - due more to male failure - or to the economy, false generational propaganda, and a generational workplace glass ceiling?

The manosphere additionally stresses that feminism has caused problems for men:
[The Atlantic's Stephanie] Fairyington [in reporting on MRAs] did concede one point:
But I wonder if feminism’s assumption that being male necessarily situates men at an advantage makes it harder for feminism to address the struggles unique to men. By diminishing male-specific challenges, feminists fail to recognize that women’s progress hinges on understanding that antiquated standards of masculinity hurt both sexes and are linked to men’s unstable relationship with the family.
However, that view fails to note feminism’s impact on how society treats men. After 40 years of feminism at the forefront of culture, no feminist can claim that feminism plays no role in the current state of our culture. Many of the negative responses in the comments on the article are tried and true feminist talking points. They are routinely seen in feminist spaces whenever men’s rights are mentioned.
As much as Fairyington and other feminists want to avoid it, the simple truth is that feminism has had a negative impact on how we view and treat men, and that in turn created or worsened things for some men in some areas.
The devaluation of men's traditional roles has caused anger and grief. However, it is not clear that the men's rights movement is addressing these concerns in a realistic fashion.

The confusion between the virtually-assured causes of men's distress and the actual sources of that distress could not be clearer than in the 26 April 2013 suicide note of the late men's rights activist Earl Silverman. In his note, Silverman blamed the Canadian government for not helping male victims of domestic violence and for the funding-cut-related closure of an abused men's shelter. What is curious here is not that the "default narrative of male-as-abuser" should be questioned, or that women can be a source of trouble - but rather Silverman's assumption that infinitely politicized gender perspectives are the ongoing natural and ever-expanding responsibility of the state. Where will this stop? At what point do people take responsibility for their own lives, families and communities? We should not be surprised by emergent police states when we have spent decades demanding that the state have increasing legal authority over the most private aspects of existence.

The arguments about whether or not men suffer from discrimination go back and forth. At one point, this blog was spammed by a men's rights blogger who decided my post about the Ark of the Covenant was a good place to leave a message about how he is boycotting American women:
I feel American women are inferior to foreign women (non-American women), and why American men should boycott American women, and date/marry only foreign (non-American) women.


Tens of millions of American men have had their lives completely destroyed by American women through the following crimes:


1. False rape accusations (it has been proven that up to 80 percent of rape accusations are FALSE)


2. False domestic violence (DV) charges (same as above)


3. False sexual harassment charges (men are now afraid to even talk to women in the office because all it takes is one woman to make up a false sexual harassment charge and then the man's career is finished)


4. Financial destruction of men in divorce courts through alimony and support payments (women get up to 95 percent of their ex-husband's income and savings, as well as the house, car, etc)


5. Emotional destruction of men by ex-wives who have stolen their children from them and forbidden the fathers from having custody or contact with their own children

6. Divorced dads who commit suicide as a result


99.9 percent of American and western women are liars, hypocrities, and criminals, who support women committing crimes against men. Women refuse to condemn their fellow women who destroy men's lives. Silence means consent. Therefore, American women support and enjoy destroying men's lives and causing men to commit suicide. Apparently, American women think it is okay to be a criminal, just as long as you are a woman. Therefore, is it any surprise that a huge percent of American men no longer want anything to do with American women, other than using them for easy sex and then throwing them away?


A few more reasons to stay away from American women?


-25 percent of American women take psychiatric drugs for mental illnesses.
-25 percent of women under the age of 30 have at least one STD.
-85 percent of divorces in America are INITIATED by women, thus women are responsible for the vast majority of divorces.
-70 percent of criminals in America were raised by single mothers, thus feminism is responsible for most crime in America.
-The majority of child molestation, child abuse, and child murder in America is done by WOMEN.
Oddly, in other remarks the commenter appeared to think that Histories of Things to Come was devoted to cultivating an anti-male environment, when it is actually dedicated to discussing Millennial realities. This blog is equally friendly to male and female readers. But the commenter felt that basic accounts of Millennial life were anathemas to whatever men's rights activists want or need to hear.

So what is about Millennial life that is hostile to men? Lately, elements of the MRM online community have grown as toxic as the ultra-radical feminism they criticize. I was reminded of this trend a couple of days ago when a friend, T., sent me a link to an article, On Women as 'Chattel' at The Spearhead, a men's rights site. Here are some comments which show how far the movement has 'progressed':
  • "Women clearly are the female part of the primate Homo Sapiens, but males took a step further and created civilisation with a set of rules to regulate male interaction. Women are not part of this and thus 'outside' the rules!"
  • "I believe you are giving women far too much credit. Much of the financing and push for “equality” is coming from men — the elite one percent who are using women to hold down wages, much like big and small businesses want to see illegal aliens continue to stream across the border. In private industry, women are scabs, union busters, who are easier to control and are far less likely than men to challenge decisions from the executive suites. This produces short term profits, but here we have the seeds of a potential economic collapse of the USA. The job losses in the past several years have been mostly in manufacturing, construction and engineering. The decline in manufacturing is most critical because there are fewer and fewer products to export, thereby increasing the trade imbalance.A significant majority of jobs in government, healthcare and services are held by women. Which is to say that women largely are not producing anything to sell to other countries. Those container ships bringing loads of crap from China are sent back empty. I’m an American, but I’ve been living in Europe and Latin America for the past dozen years. It has been a great learning experience. I don’t want to dash the hopes of single American men who have dreams of finding the perfect foreign wife, but in the absence of cultural and family pressures to behave differently, women are about the same all over the world. However, the women in some countries are definitely better than others — particularly better than American women." 
  • "There are still men out there who believe in the gender equality myth and the benevolence of the feminist movement. We can call them many things, the one most suitable and a favorite of mine is ‘mangina’."
  • "Make no mistake, guys. Anything with a vagina is either a slaveowner or a potential slaveowner. If any woman tries to make you agree to anything not of your own free will, she is trying to make you a beast of burden.The “woman as chattel” femi-myth is yet another case of projection by the parasitic gender."
  • "Of course a girlfriend is there to service a man’s sexual NEEDS. Why do you think men even expand the energy to find and maintain girlfriends, effort and time that they would much rather use developing genuine friendships with other men. Do you think we have girlfriends for companionship and deep, thought-provoking superfragilisticexpialidocious conversation ? Please tell me how your friend is sleeping with your sister’s ex-boyfriend and how you don’t want her to find out. I am sooooooooo fascinated /sarcasm/. What a clueless bitch LOL."
  • "To build a fuctional society we can’t have any government on top of a man in his private affairs. The government a man bows to only secures the law between himself and other men. A lot of you guys are way too ‘democratic’ (for lack of better word) in your way of thinking."
  • "Men are expected to treat women with deferential respect no matter how unlady-like her behavior is. It is men who are disposable chattel and taken for granted. A woman can reap the benefits of being born a female no matter how vindictive, unpleasant or out of control her behavior and attitude is. In contrast, a man has to prove, through his actions and character, that he is worthy of being treated like a man."
Evidently, these men are not discussing real women, so much as they are hypnotizing themselves and each other through mutual Internet communication. The original substance of argument grows more and more distant. That substance is replaced by impulsive, uninhibited rhetoric, which can froth up to unprecedented heights of nasty weirdness. The driver in these cyber-grooming sessions is no longer reality (where men indeed have concerns and claims which must be addressed), but instead the back-and-forth compulsion of Web chat. The content becomes less important, and the context and medium subliminally dominate chat participants.

This is misogyny recast as apocalyptic eschatology and civil rights enjoyed as an Internet subculture. A glance at the repugnant credo of so-called 'alpha females' shows that these gender-based ideologies are no different than other online Millennial cults. According to How To Split an Atom, the 3.0 Web is defined in terms of:
Highly specialized information silos, moderated by a cult of personality, validated by the community, and put into context with the inclusion of meta-data through widgets.
These movements thrive in an atmosphere that is isolationist, collectivist, self-referential, self-congratulatory and solipsistic. Their logic is a closed circle. Blame and responsibility are externalized and projected. For good or ill, narratives of meta-victimhood and justified reaction all too often form the bases of Millennial lives and new communities. They are not truly founded on identifying and resolving the real problems they claim to address.

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8 comments:

  1. It is funny that I come to your blog, which I love, and find an article on this topic. On an MMO that I play, the topic seems to be running amuck in what is so lovingly called the troll chat. The sad part is that while many of the anti-feminine comments are expected from those trying to provoke others, so many other males join in on the "oh woe is me, I'm a poor man" woman bashing. Heaven help any man that tries to come to the female defense pointing out their idiocy. And even worse if a woman does, for curse her wickedness. That is of course if age really is female. As you know, we female types don't actually enjoy video games.

    I never wanted to be the "old" woman who claims not to understand her younger counterparts. Yet here I am at 40, hardly old, and I find so much of the thinking ludicrous. Normally I would say that it being on an online game it's to be taken with a grain of salt and exaggerated. Unfortunately the thoughts aren't unique to the one outlet.

    I'm a very independent woman, but my husband does and will likely always open the door for me. Just as I reach over and unlock his car door once inside. I often will bring him something to drink or get up and refill his glass if I notice it emptied, but he does the dishes. I haven't taken out the trash since my early 20's, and in general he hasn't done laundry. We tend to do groceries together, and while I push the buggy because I enjoy it, he carries the bags in while I put them away.

    I cannot tell you some of the comments these very simple acts that are just a natural part of who ar are together have gotten from both family and friends. Differing greatly depending upon if the commenter is older or younger than us. My husband opens the door for all women. I do too, for that matter. Just ad we both hold it open for anyone behind us. I was raised as that being polite or good manners. I watched a young man in possibly his mid to late twenties last week not only rudely step infont of an elderly woman who apparently wasn't moving fast enough for his tastes, he also didn't hold the door open for her when he would have only had to pause a second or two to do so. Another woman more his own age commented as many of us stood around waiting for our tables. To which he replied, "You women fought for equal rights. I ain't gonna treat the old lady any different just 'cause she has a cane." Of course both women and many men were outraged and comments ensued. The crazier part than him doing it in the first place was when a few younger males nodded or commented in agreement with him.

    Surely this is not how my generation is and has been raising our children. The boomers have a lot to answer for, but we do too.

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    1. Thanks for your comment, Anon. I think part of what you mention relates to the collapse of etiquette and manners. I remember reading a blog devoted to this subject, which opened with the headline: 'Somewhere, right now, someone is wearing a halter top. In a church. At a funeral.' It's interesting that you bring up manners in relation to this topic. I think it may be the subject of a future post, because etiquette once formed the set of rules people followed (or tried to follow, or at least knew they were supposed to try to follow) to keep some peace between the genders.

      But at some point in the 60s, old-fashioned manners were attacked as codes of behaviour that were oppressive and wrongly hierarchical. They were 'dictates' that impinged on people's freedoms to do whatever they felt was best for them.

      Now that those rules are gone, people have no references on what to do in complex social situations. The result is bad relationships and growing gender conflict. As I said in my response below, the only solution will probably have to be the creation of new conventions of behaviour between the sexes.

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  2. John Rambo, Anti-Feminist Soldier and Founder of Boycott American WomenJune 24, 2013 at 4:24 AM

    John Rambo, founder of the Boycott American Women blog here.

    OH HOW CUTE! POOR WITTLE BABY IS UPSET BECAUSE MEN ARE BOYCOTTING HER!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

    Over 50 percent of American women are single, without a boyfriend or husband, so the fact is, MOST MEN DO NOT WANT YOU WORTHLESS AMERICAN WHORES ANYMORE!

    You still have two options though:

    1. become a lesbian

    or

    2. get used to living alone with your ten cats

    THOSE ARE YOUR TWO OPTIONS, WHORE!

    As for us American men, we are sick of you and millions of us are marrying foreign women. I married a nice young asian girl, and I would NEVER even think about touching one of you disgusting American women ever again. Asian women are 1000 times better than you, this is why so many American guys are rejecting you and going for asian women.

    Have fun growing old alone with your 10 cats, whore.

    Sincerely,
    John Rambo, Anti-feminist Soldier
    John.Rambo@crimesagainstfathers.com

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    1. Rambo wanna be (rest assured your manhood obviously is questionable considering the name you chose for yourself... what's the matter honey? Viagra not doing the trick for you anymore?)
      in any case, I digress, Rambo wanna be is so in love with his Asian wife, he has no time on his hands at all to troll the web and bully cyber ghosts

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    2. Heh, thanks for your comment and link which inspired this post, T.

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  3. The core group of MRAs consist of people who were severely wronged by ex-wifes, female relatives, and coworkers, often resulting in the loss of their money, dignity, or both. I am too young to emphasize with the stories they tell, but even though I would not call myself an MRA, they have my sympathy. The stories they tell serve to warn young men about the dark side to our supposedly egalitarian society and serve for us to strongly screen for character and loyalty in a mate. There is inevitably going to be bitterness in such situations. It is this sense of resentment and rage that Jezebel et al. have latched onto to define the movement, to the exclusion of the silent majority who try to move on (or out of the country in most cases) to try to improve their lives.

    But the real reason I'm posting is to address the mischaracterization of the manosphere, Tam B correctly states that its origins were in the self-improvement craze of the 80s and that a couple of original PUA concepts were based on the capitalist thinking at the time such as “investment strategy” or the 80/20 rule. But pointing out that frustration with late capitalism is the fault of our deteriorating gender relations is a rather conventional excuse. The perpetual issues our society faces with capitalism and social class could be applied to almost anything. For example, I could say that feminists have only been allowed to flourish under capitalist society because gender conflict distracts from the greater problems of social class. Poor woman will never experience the freedom of upper class women because they are stuck doing the things upper class woman have paid them to do for their own “freedom”: home maintenance, cooking, childcare.

    The point is, gender tension has always and will always exist. Sometimes it's used as a tool of the state or as a distraction from larger cultural issues but its always there. My view is that sometime recently, the manosphere recognized that and sought to widen the scope of their topics beyond the utility of PUA and Game. While most woman will disprove of the manosphere's origins, they can't ignore that it is transforming to a higher cause of masculine mentorship and self-improvement. The proof for all of this? It's right there in the hypertext link 'manosphere' that Tam provided to the post at Return of Kings. I have followed the sphere and this blog, separately, for a while now and it's interesting to see these two worlds collide. Which is the reason I was compelled to rouse myself out of lurker mode.

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    1. Thanks for your comment, Apuleius. I made a point of linking to sites that were sympathetic to the manosphere and hostile to it so that readers could look at the spectrum of opinion and reach their own conclusions.

      This is a complex issue.

      My post emphasized that beneath the talking points, the dynamics of the manosphere reflect the ups and downs of the online medium (as in, the 'medium is the message'), like many other Millennial movements. That doesn't mean there aren't longer continuities running back to the pre-digital era. One reader of the blog, Lee Hamilton, mentioned Warren Farrell in relation to this post on twitter.

      As for whether this movement is positive or negative, I am sympathetic, generally speaking, when the movement includes a deeper contemplation of male roles and masculinity - and addresses some of the detrimental effects of second wave feminism on males and females. This is why I have often cited 'The Art of Manliness' blog here.

      However, I of course acknowledge that certain branches of second wave feminism tackled serious issues that had to be addressed. And on the other end of the spectrum of the manosphere is brute misogyny, like that expressed by the Rambo commenter above. To the extent that this pumped-up rhetoric means anything beyond cyber-flares, it is pathetic, self-defeating and destructive. That said, it obviously reflects masculine anger, alienation and painful experiences which we must address.

      You say gender tension has always existed. True, but my comment on Boomer legacies in relation to this problem reflected an argument I have often made on this blog. Namely, Boomers built their ego-defined ideologies based on horizontal affiliations in society that, if emphasized, were meant to usher in a new egalitarian democratic era. They imagined equality enforced in society according to horizontal affiliations, which included common loyalties based on: age (from which we get the definition of social groups according to 'generations'), gender (from which we get feminism and now the manosphere), class (Marxism was a good matching ideology), ethnicity (debates on racial equality).

      Boomers defined equality along these lines to combat older, vertical affiliations and associated traditional values. These older values included family, idealized community, honour, mutual duty etc. Often, these traditional ways of living were demonized by Boomers (not without justification) in terms of class oppression, patriarchal domination, racism, colonialism and so on.

      From the Boomer narrative, you get an inversion of old power structures. For example, post 60s cinema, literature and pop culture abound with the poor, the alienated, the marginalized, the villainous being recast as heroes and anti-heroes. A typical example is the recent movie, 'The Town.' As far as MRA POVs are concerned, this would involve the patriarchal father or male boss in a business being targeted, belittled or sidelined by gender politics.

      However, even though Boomers constantly talk about how they broke the mold, their emphasis on equality, predicated upon horizontal loyalties, did not start with them. Horizontal social alignments were emphasized as a means for leveraging power and radical political change from the French Revolution onward. ...

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    2. ... Therefore, manosphere activists who think this all started in the 1960s with feminists do not see the larger historical trend, or they see it only intuitively (they grasp that this is part of a much bigger pattern in other areas of society). But by pushing for men's rights in exactly the same way second wave feminists pushed for women's rights (including MRAs' resort to violent rhetoric), MRAs are unwittingly absorbing the very pitfalls and identical logic that defined the feminist movement they are attacking. By doing this, they show that they have not understood what they are dealing with; they have merely imitated the very form of the movement they criticize. Even men's rights activists who consciously approve of and imitate feminist thought to repurpose it toward male rights in a semi-positive fashion are totally missing the point.

      If men truly wanted to defeat feminist policies - especially the second wave version that some MRAs hate so much - they would seek at all costs to reconcile with women in every way possible and reinforce the family, based on mutual cooperation, mutual responsibility and rapprochement. This could not be conceived in a retreat to blind patriarchal domination. If MRAs really wanted to revamp the status quo, they would have fought to have their rights and women's rights converge and overlap in a new social setting that is NOT based on gender conflict. Playing the gender conflict card only reinforces the original feminist mythos because it supports the same fundamental assumption that political equality can be enforced, and power gained, via gender-specific loyalties.

      If MRAs looked carefully at third wave feminists, they would see that these women have been trying to reset the model and correct some of the damage that was done in the second wave feminist experiment; but MRAs are not listening to third wave feminists or grasping what is happening. Instead, they are frothing each other up in inward-looking chat forums online, so-called 'man-safe' spaces. So in addition to mimicking the second wave Boomer way of thinking, they are also floating through cyberspace and unconsciously reflecting the ebb and flow of that virtual environment. They are imprisoning themselves in a house of mirrors, and the worst of them are confirming every patriarchal stereotype.

      This would be laughable if it weren't so misguided wrt actually understanding the problems at hand. By behaving like this, men are ensuring that they will not solve their own problems and make them much worse.

      In short, men and women **both** must step back from 'rights' arguments and politicized ideological conceptions derived from the late 18th century. They have to cooperate to build a new social model that suits the present century. That model would involve a reorganization of power structures based on different mutual loyalties and new social alignments that were not based on past traditions, or defined in terms of trying to overthrow past traditions. We have to come up with something wholly new, and be aware of the impact of the communications revolution on that task, while not becoming unconsciously enslaved by how we are discussing this matter.

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